Don't be a menace to the muskies while drinking your juice on the river - The Niagara Musky Association2024-03-29T06:58:26Zhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/forum/topics/don-t-be-a-menace-to-the-muskies-while-drinking-your-juice-on-the?commentId=6476506%3AComment%3A43022&feed=yes&xn_auth=noGood point, Frank...and I'm g…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2016-06-13:6476506:Comment:430222016-06-13T17:43:58.941ZJohn Jaroszhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/JohnJarosz
<p>Good point, Frank...and I'm guilty as charged. Good thing I haven't had to look around for it yet. Like you said, I'll make sure they're "<strong>right there</strong>."</p>
<p>Good point, Frank...and I'm guilty as charged. Good thing I haven't had to look around for it yet. Like you said, I'll make sure they're "<strong>right there</strong>."</p> Good call Frank. I move my re…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2016-06-13:6476506:Comment:428882016-06-13T16:05:19.785ZScott McKeehttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/0jxmnwr1l2drd
Good call Frank. I move my release tools around the boat depending on the situation. If I'm with a partner my tools are in a 3730 box in the aft port corner. If I'm casting alone they are in the bow with me. If I'm trolling alone they sit on my passenger console. Time is critical concerning releases. BE PREPARED!
Good call Frank. I move my release tools around the boat depending on the situation. If I'm with a partner my tools are in a 3730 box in the aft port corner. If I'm casting alone they are in the bow with me. If I'm trolling alone they sit on my passenger console. Time is critical concerning releases. BE PREPARED! Great article. All I can add…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2016-06-13:6476506:Comment:430132016-06-13T15:09:33.972ZFrank Stachowiakhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/FrankStachowiak
<p>Great article. All I can add is that your Knipex is a great first aid tool for that precariously hooked musky. That is, it's a great tool IF it is handy. It has to be "right there", at arm's length, ready to be put in use -immediately. It doesn't do the musky any good if you have to search for your knipex, wondering where the heck it is. I assume that when you go into surgery, you want the doc to have his scalpel available, right???? Come to think of it, if anyone is in need of…</p>
<p>Great article. All I can add is that your Knipex is a great first aid tool for that precariously hooked musky. That is, it's a great tool IF it is handy. It has to be "right there", at arm's length, ready to be put in use -immediately. It doesn't do the musky any good if you have to search for your knipex, wondering where the heck it is. I assume that when you go into surgery, you want the doc to have his scalpel available, right???? Come to think of it, if anyone is in need of surgery, let me know and I will put shock cord on a few scalpels for your surgical team.</p>
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<p>Frank</p> I've killed a few over the la…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2016-06-09:6476506:Comment:426902016-06-09T17:28:23.896ZJohn Pensylhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/johnathonpensyl
I've killed a few over the last few years. Had a big girl from clair bubbling blood from her gills that barely had a hook point in her. Didn't even notice the blood until looking at photos and she swam off fine but that picture still bothers me to this day. Had a fish in the lower smash a jerk bait rigged tube and put it down her throat, the rear treble grabbed the gills and nothing else, hookset ripped them right out of her mouth and it looked like a scene from jaws. Had a few big fish swallow…
I've killed a few over the last few years. Had a big girl from clair bubbling blood from her gills that barely had a hook point in her. Didn't even notice the blood until looking at photos and she swam off fine but that picture still bothers me to this day. Had a fish in the lower smash a jerk bait rigged tube and put it down her throat, the rear treble grabbed the gills and nothing else, hookset ripped them right out of her mouth and it looked like a scene from jaws. Had a few big fish swallow dawgs and 10s that I've had to go in through the gill plate to cut hooks, that's always scary. And I had a mid 30s little guy take a tube single stinger though the roof of its mouth and apparently hit it's brain because it just started convulsing and then wouldn't stay upright. Most importantly without proper tools and release techniques I would have killed a lot more. It's rare that I have a fish that is slow to release anymore. Fish almost never come out of the water and you can definitely tell the difference over the years where we photographed and measured every last fish. Take a guestimate, get a release shot if needed and set them free. One mistake I made in recent years is trying to take a picture of a lure in a fishes mouth while in the net. In a split second that fish started rolling and what would have been an easy release turned into an absolute hell where I cut all 9 hook points and had to revive a fish for 5 minutes with her slime coat destroyed. Dont fish without the proper release tools, do your best to increase your knowledge on fish handling and advanced hook removal and once she's in the net keep the fishes safety your 1st priority and hope for the best. Just another thought... All o…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2016-06-09:6476506:Comment:429152016-06-09T16:33:29.745ZNate Carrhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/NateCarr
<p>Just another thought... All of the musky flies I tie are on either barbless hooks, or hooks that I have debarbed. Since going to barbless hooks (2 years now), I have not noticed any increase in lost fish and I have not had any issues getting one out of a fishes mouth. Cutting the hooks works great, but a barbless hook makes a smaller hole to begin with and is less likely to cause issues when fish get hooked in precarious places like eyeballs, gills, etc... All of my flies have either 1 or…</p>
<p>Just another thought... All of the musky flies I tie are on either barbless hooks, or hooks that I have debarbed. Since going to barbless hooks (2 years now), I have not noticed any increase in lost fish and I have not had any issues getting one out of a fishes mouth. Cutting the hooks works great, but a barbless hook makes a smaller hole to begin with and is less likely to cause issues when fish get hooked in precarious places like eyeballs, gills, etc... All of my flies have either 1 or two hooks, no trebles. I actually think that a larger single hook holds a fish better than smaller trebles, I think the bigger hook gap makes the difference. Albeit I may miss a fish now and then that a treble may have hooked (additional hook points). I wonder, have the casters/jiggers and trollers ever considered going barbless?</p> Great article!! Everyone's s…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2016-06-09:6476506:Comment:428632016-06-09T16:23:21.233ZJohn Jaroszhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/JohnJarosz
<p>Great article!! Everyone's stories remind me of the legend of Walt Disney & the owl. Supposedly it dramatically changed him.</p>
<p>I did find a TU article that I read a few years ago that was a study of C&R & examined things like time out of the water, use of barbs/barbless, length of the fight, etc. It's on trout but the stresses that any fish goes thru are the prob the same, just to different degrees.…</p>
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<p>Great article!! Everyone's stories remind me of the legend of Walt Disney & the owl. Supposedly it dramatically changed him.</p>
<p>I did find a TU article that I read a few years ago that was a study of C&R & examined things like time out of the water, use of barbs/barbless, length of the fight, etc. It's on trout but the stresses that any fish goes thru are the prob the same, just to different degrees.</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.tu.org/sites/default/files/Handling_Stress_Summary.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.tu.org/sites/default/files/Handling_Stress_Summary.pdf</a></p>
<p></p> Good day
Great article
I also…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2016-06-09:6476506:Comment:429082016-06-09T15:59:14.274Zjojo wilczewskihttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/jojowilczewski
Good day<br />
Great article<br />
I also have lost fish in both ways Scott described. Due to overhandling and hooks in the gills.<br />
Not to mention ones with terrifull hooks I had to remove, eyes, gills head and belly? They took off but not in good shape.<br />
NEVER forget we also loose fish to accidental release mortality. The percentage varries depending on the study, from<br />
10-30%.<br />
Nothing we can do but be quick fast and diligent.<br />
I also considered quiting years ago.<br />
Instead I preach, I do diligence and I do…
Good day<br />
Great article<br />
I also have lost fish in both ways Scott described. Due to overhandling and hooks in the gills.<br />
Not to mention ones with terrifull hooks I had to remove, eyes, gills head and belly? They took off but not in good shape.<br />
NEVER forget we also loose fish to accidental release mortality. The percentage varries depending on the study, from<br />
10-30%.<br />
Nothing we can do but be quick fast and diligent.<br />
I also considered quiting years ago.<br />
Instead I preach, I do diligence and I do what ever I can for those silly fish that I love.<br />
Ala bala bala jojoout Excellent article Scott!!! I…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2016-06-09:6476506:Comment:427922016-06-09T14:26:59.167ZNate Carrhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/NateCarr
<p>Excellent article Scott!!! I think most of us can remember an instance when our egos got the better of us while handling a fish for that "must have" photo. Just a week ago, I was fishing for trout with my almost 2 year-old son. I hooked a small brown trout and then put the rod in his hand and helped him bring it in. After which I really wanted to get a picture of my son's, sort of, first fish. I tried to have him hold the line up with the fish dangling but it just wasn't working, the…</p>
<p>Excellent article Scott!!! I think most of us can remember an instance when our egos got the better of us while handling a fish for that "must have" photo. Just a week ago, I was fishing for trout with my almost 2 year-old son. I hooked a small brown trout and then put the rod in his hand and helped him bring it in. After which I really wanted to get a picture of my son's, sort of, first fish. I tried to have him hold the line up with the fish dangling but it just wasn't working, the line kept slipping through his hand. So then I tried to hold the fish in front of him while simultaneously taking the picture.... that wasn't working well either. In my desperation to get this "must have" picture, I had neglected to think about how long the fish was out of the water.... that is until my 23 month old son said "Da Da, fish ouch, wawa", which roughly translates to, "hey Dad, the fish is hurting, put it back in the water". I was instantly both embarrassed with myself and very impressed by my young son's wisdom. The fish took some reviving but swam away and is hopefully still alive. This was a 6" brown trout, which are far more plentiful than muskies, but the same principle applies. It was actually a great reminder for me that pictures are not that important, and certainly not worth jeopardizing the life of the quarry we spend so much time professing love and respect for.</p>