Where have all the Musky gone? - The Niagara Musky Association2024-03-29T15:41:07Zhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/forum/topics/where-have-all-the-musky-gone-1?commentId=6476506%3AComment%3A130015&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHuh?tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2021-10-10:6476506:Comment:1300392021-10-10T16:49:53.137ZScott McKeehttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/0jxmnwr1l2drd
<p>Huh?</p>
<p>Huh?</p> Tony...he must have aged well…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2021-10-10:6476506:Comment:1300382021-10-10T01:37:52.850ZJohn Jaroszhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/JohnJarosz
<p>Tony...he must have aged well, like a good bottle of montepulciano</p>
<p>Tony...he must have aged well, like a good bottle of montepulciano</p> And I always thought it was P…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2021-10-10:6476506:Comment:1298312021-10-10T00:23:36.109ZTony Scimehttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/TonyScime
And I always thought it was Paul. Didn't know Scott was that old.
And I always thought it was Paul. Didn't know Scott was that old. Don't you mean the "better fo…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2021-10-09:6476506:Comment:1301452021-10-09T21:12:16.298ZJohn Jaroszhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/JohnJarosz
<p>Don't you mean the "better folks"?</p>
<p>Released in 1964 by Peter, Scott, and Mary</p>
<p>I understand that whenever it was sung, you'd be guaranteed a catch</p>
<p>Don't you mean the "better folks"?</p>
<p>Released in 1964 by Peter, Scott, and Mary</p>
<p>I understand that whenever it was sung, you'd be guaranteed a catch</p> Only the older folks will kno…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2021-10-09:6476506:Comment:1300372021-10-09T20:56:39.451ZScott Kitchenhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/ScottKitchen
<p>Only the older folks will know the tune for this:</p>
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<p>Where have all the Muskie gone?<br></br> Long time passing.<br></br> Where have all the Muskie gone?<br></br> Long time ago.<br></br> Where have all the Muskie gone?<br></br> Cormorants have eaten them every one.<br></br> Oh, When will they ever learn?<br></br> Oh, When will they ever learn?</p>
<p>Where have all the Muskie gone?<br></br> Long time passing.<br></br> Where have all the Muskie gone?<br></br> Long time ago.<br></br> Where have all the Muskie gone?…<br></br></p>
<p>Only the older folks will know the tune for this:</p>
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<p>Where have all the Muskie gone?<br/> Long time passing.<br/> Where have all the Muskie gone?<br/> Long time ago.<br/> Where have all the Muskie gone?<br/> Cormorants have eaten them every one.<br/> Oh, When will they ever learn?<br/> Oh, When will they ever learn?</p>
<p>Where have all the Muskie gone?<br/> Long time passing.<br/> Where have all the Muskie gone?<br/> Long time ago.<br/> Where have all the Muskie gone?<br/> Gobies have eaten them every one.<br/> Oh, When will they ever learn?<br/> Oh, When will they ever learn?</p>
<p>Where have all the Muskie gone?<br/> Long time passing.<br/> Where have all the Muskie gone?<br/> Long time ago.<br/> Where have all the Muskie gone?<br/> Northern Pike have eaten them every one.<br/> Oh, When will they ever learn?<br/> Oh, When will they ever learn?</p>
<p>Where have all the Muskie gone?<br/> Long time passing.<br/> Where have all the Muskie gone?<br/> Long time ago.<br/> Where have all the Muskie gone?<br/> Time has taken them every one.<br/> Oh, When will we ever learn?<br/> Oh, When will we ever learn?</p> The ice boom is the culprit f…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2021-10-09:6476506:Comment:1298282021-10-09T04:35:21.440ZJohn Pensylhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/johnathonpensyl
The ice boom is the culprit for slower growth rates in the river than the lake. There are times when the lake is in the 40s just to the west and there is still a pile of ice sitting at the boom keeping the river an icy 32 degrees. The ice boom is a nightmare for any natural species. It delays spawns, destroys natural habitat and stunts growth.
The ice boom is the culprit for slower growth rates in the river than the lake. There are times when the lake is in the 40s just to the west and there is still a pile of ice sitting at the boom keeping the river an icy 32 degrees. The ice boom is a nightmare for any natural species. It delays spawns, destroys natural habitat and stunts growth. Dr. K & I discussed this…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2021-10-09:6476506:Comment:1300362021-10-09T01:30:42.362ZJohn Jaroszhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/JohnJarosz
<p>Dr. K & I discussed this exact same thing during seining in the Bell Slip. He told me that the reason YOY muskies in the Harbor were (literally) twice as big as those in the River was because of early ice out in the embayments due to the shallow depths, leading to warmer water & higher rates of metabolism.<br></br>Chris Legard told me once that in the hatcheries the water temps will be tweaked up occasionally if growth rates are slow. Ideally, the hatcheries will try to target a specific…</p>
<p>Dr. K & I discussed this exact same thing during seining in the Bell Slip. He told me that the reason YOY muskies in the Harbor were (literally) twice as big as those in the River was because of early ice out in the embayments due to the shallow depths, leading to warmer water & higher rates of metabolism.<br/>Chris Legard told me once that in the hatcheries the water temps will be tweaked up occasionally if growth rates are slow. Ideally, the hatcheries will try to target a specific size prior to release & that size can be set by water temp.</p> Tony,
seems odd that the harb…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2021-10-08:6476506:Comment:1300352021-10-08T22:57:31.369ZScott Kitchenhttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/ScottKitchen
<p>Tony,</p>
<p>seems odd that the harbor fish would grow at twice the rate of river fish.</p>
<p>If I recall correctly they had the same genetics from Kevin’s study.</p>
<p>Just more food and more space?</p>
<p>Tony,</p>
<p>seems odd that the harbor fish would grow at twice the rate of river fish.</p>
<p>If I recall correctly they had the same genetics from Kevin’s study.</p>
<p>Just more food and more space?</p> In comparison here's the clei…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2021-10-08:6476506:Comment:1301402021-10-08T12:43:19.371ZTony Scimehttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/TonyScime
<p>In comparison here's the cleithra analysis from a harbor fish caught in 1995. 13 years old and 47 inches. Appears to grow faster than the previous river fish. </p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9657645271?profile=original" rel="noopener" target="_blank">Cleithra 47 inch harbor fish 13yo.pdf</a><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Tony Scime said:…</cite></p>
<p>In comparison here's the cleithra analysis from a harbor fish caught in 1995. 13 years old and 47 inches. Appears to grow faster than the previous river fish. </p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9657645271?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Cleithra 47 inch harbor fish 13yo.pdf</a><br/> <br/> <cite>Tony Scime said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/forum/comment/show?id=6476506%3AComment%3A129934&xn_out=json&firstPage=1&lastPage=1&xg_token=c525b6bcb8b9f3c595e3f10562d14c47&_=1633694948133#6476506Comment129934"><div><p>I've attached some data from our cleithra study in the 1990s. Most fish don't reach 30 inches until year 5 or 6. Thereafter males tend to grow an inch a year and females at a faster rate. I believe maturity for males is low 30s, and females about 35 or 36 inches. </p>
<p>I have more data in paper form which I can look at. The St Lawrence fish are for comparison purposes. From this data it appears that the growth rates are comparable, but I think I have more recent data suggesting that St. Lawrence fish grow faster after maturity. </p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9657548856?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Cleithra data.pdf</a></p>
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</blockquote> I've attached some data from…tag:niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com,2021-10-08:6476506:Comment:1299342021-10-08T12:09:07.173ZTony Scimehttps://niagaramuskyassociation.ning.com/profile/TonyScime
<p>I've attached some data from our cleithra study in the 1990s. Most fish don't reach 30 inches until year 5 or 6. Thereafter males tend to grow an inch a year and females at a faster rate. I believe maturity for males is low 30s, and females about 35 or 36 inches. </p>
<p>I have more data in paper form which I can look at. The St Lawrence fish are for comparison purposes. From this data it appears that the growth rates are comparable, but I think I have more recent data suggesting that St.…</p>
<p>I've attached some data from our cleithra study in the 1990s. Most fish don't reach 30 inches until year 5 or 6. Thereafter males tend to grow an inch a year and females at a faster rate. I believe maturity for males is low 30s, and females about 35 or 36 inches. </p>
<p>I have more data in paper form which I can look at. The St Lawrence fish are for comparison purposes. From this data it appears that the growth rates are comparable, but I think I have more recent data suggesting that St. Lawrence fish grow faster after maturity. </p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/9657548856?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Cleithra data.pdf</a></p>